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bigdaddyracer87
09-18-2011, 03:04 PM
Up until this point I would say yes without hesitation. The fact that I can take my 600 to any track in this area and know that my engine is within the rules is a great feeling. I might not agree with every rule in place but I still know that they are universal wherever I go in this area and everyone has to deal with the same thing. It seems to me that the focus of the U6SA is drifting. I read today that theres someone putting there name in the running of the director position, and his goal is to change the total structure of the U6SA.

Now personally this reminds me of the old NMMA days. As soon as we get something good going on people want to start charging money for this and that. To say that a person needs to be a member and pay a due or fee in order to have a vote just doesn't sit right with me. I'm all for the betterment of micro sprint racing in general in any class. But I believe some people need to sit back and remember this isnt the world of outlaws. A person should not have to pay to have a vote in their own class when it comes to things that effect them and their wallets. Lets face it there are still people out there that dont agree with the U6SA and wish it would just disappear and make their lives easier. Should they just leave micros even though they were involved in micros before the U6SA came about? Even though they may not agree I'm sure they still vote when it comes time each year to their track reps, why? because it still effects them.

There are tracks in this area that have supported micro racing for years back in the day when each track could easily pull 30-40 every single race night. Some of those same tracks are hurting for cars right now and are starting to question whether or not they can keep running the same classes enough though the car counts arent there. With so many tracks running micros and other small car classes it would be idioticy in my opinion to charge a track and make them join a organization.

What happened to the days of just loading your car in the trailer and going to the track and just racing. There's so much unneccesary politics in this division. Everything has to be a committee or organization.

Again I think the U6SA is a GOOD thing the way it stands currently as in Universal engine rules.

Some examples below of what some people would like to do: Now keep in mind this person already has a series so why not just run their series as they wish and leave the U6SA alone and keep with its original focus.
"If I am elected into the position of U6SA director the first order of business will be to form the U6SA as a not for profit corporation and seat a board of directors consisting of
Driver
Car owner
Track owner
Engine builder
2- 600 businesses

Each board member will be responsible to form a committee (particular to their specific expertise) to examine the state of 600 Sprint class and present recommendations to the membership of the U6SA.

The U6SA will emerge from restructuring as an organization supported by dues paying members. In order for a track to advertise their facility as a U6SA sanctioned facility or utilize U6SA rules each track will be required to join the organization. Each manufacture or business that wishes to participate in the U6SA will be required to join the organization. And any driver or car owner that would like to have a vote or wishes to participate in the organization would be required to join the organization."

The dues collected will be used to promote the U6SA and the mission of the organization. Dues will be used to provide a traveling tech crew that will help educate and train track personnel in proper and efficient tech procedures and finally a point fund will be established for a U6SA championship series. A weekly track series (similar to the current form of the 600 Pro Series).

rat
09-18-2011, 05:04 PM
and i will vote agaist anyone with that in mind, what really turns guys from 600s messin with rules pre u6sa 30 plus car counts 100 plus speedweek car counts since steady drying car counts, when i ask guys that left money was the driving force , i can put that much into a 305 the thing runs 2 years and you neverhave to touch it , ask guys why they didnt go sidewinder racing cause they rules where in flux,[ instead of going 305], look at the 358 class 14 of the cars at linclon last week where micro drivers

wayne lesher
09-20-2011, 08:18 AM
Big Daddy.. you can use my name...i have no secrets..... my opinion is just one of many in this class. you reference the NMMA. The NMMA was a great organization and helped propel the 600 class in the midwest what it is today. The organization folded only because of being gutted by treasurers on not one but two occasions.

the single biggest complaint from eveyone is a lack of tech at most tracks. it has gotten to a point that when i show up at a track i am expected to do tech. There was supposed to be a committe that was going to be formed to address this issue and provide a traveling tech crew. That never materialized. in order to have the tools, manpower and training it takes money. The only way for the U6SA to generate revunue is by membership dues. What i have proposed is charging a small nominal fee to vendors and tracks that "belong" to the U6SA. i have to ask you what is wrong with that? Why would you not support having a tech crew show up randomly at a U6SA facility and doing a thorough tech?

I am all for just loading up going to the track and racing but at the end of the day it would decimate the 600 class. The sportmans class is going to be the saviour of the 600 class but only if it done properly. it must be developed and closely nurtured. How important is tech going to be in this "stock" class?

i have traveled all over and have experienced many different types of classes, tracks and organizations. the one common thread i have noticed to a successful organization or event is the commitment of the people involved. The one thing i believe has kept the U6SA from being just a paper organization is the commitment of its membership. i don't think of the U6SA as just being a rule making body but more a organization that works closely with tracks, car owners, vendors and drivers to ensure that we all are successful.

i will give you an example. lets say that the U6SA could generate revenue by having a dues paying membership. what could be done with that money?
Maybe we could advertise weekly in area auto all U6SA tracks schedules or special events.
Maybe we could form a championship series that would encompass all U6SA tracks marquee events, maybe we could provide tech tools and training to all U6SA tracks.
Maybe we could provide firesuits to all the U6SA tracks
Maybe we could have a seminar for track owners and bring in a marketing person to help the tracks develop marketing plans for their facility
this is but a few ideas. i'm sure there are people involved in this class already that could lend their professional expertise, lawyers, business owners, bankers etc.
maybe it doesn't take money to do all that but it absolutely takes commitment and i personally beeive that is one thing that is sorely lacking within the membership of this organization.....but mine is just one opinion of many

bigdaddyracer87
09-20-2011, 10:36 AM
do we really need another championship? i thought that was a benefit of running the pro series. we can raise money all we want but if the tracks arent teching now what makes you think they are going to tech down the road just because a committee is formed with fees associated. Yes maybe they will tech the night the "committee" shows up but what about the other nights they are off at different tracks. Why should we the racers be responsible for providing tracks firesuits and safety equipment? That is part of running a business and should be their expense not ours, especially considering many of the tracks also run many other divisions other then 600s. So how is that gonna work out? Now if you wanted to hold a raffle or anything of the sort that raises money to supply tracks with equipment then sure thats a great idea, and any person could be involved on a voluntary basis.

As far as marketing goes etc, I again dont see how thats the racers problem as a whole division, its the tracks that are making the money and running this as a business. It is up to them to do the grunt work and market their product and/or secure sponsorship. Their have been many many different seminars held for tracks around this area at the motorsports show, both for marketing and teching etc. Again if the tracks haven't taken advantage of this help now then they probably arent going to. Everyone thinks that these tracks are just gonna listen and run everything the way they want. Keep in mind at any point they can say enough is enough and just drop the divisions that are constantly trying to tell them (the track) how to run their business.

People already think U6SA doesn't look out for their wallet most times, so why cost the racers even more money.
Alot of tracks already have advertisements in AARN or other local papers, on the web etc. (Again we shouldn't have to pay for the tracks)
We already have enough championships between tracks, pro series, speedweek, etc. (look at your weekly pro series races, you've already said that it hasnt turned out like you wanted)
Firesuits (tracks responsibly, also could be a lawsuit waiting to happen if something were to happen with someone wearing a suit provided by the U6SA and all its members)
Seminars(theres been seminars held at motorsports and other summits for years now)

I still dont see how you came up with the idea of charging people a fee in order to have a vote. That goes against everything that the U6SA has stood for up until now.

Now if you wanted to get a group of people together and discuss ideas etc, thats great but that shouldn't have any affilation with the U6SA.

Eric V
09-20-2011, 12:49 PM
I like the idea as long as the fee was very reasonable. This way any one that cares about there race community could vote on matters that effect them. I do not agree with the board structure thought, it should be an elected term for ANY that wants to run to better the community.

wayne lesher
09-20-2011, 01:41 PM
listen as a GROUP we will succeed if we stand IDIVIDUALLY we will fail . EVERYONE has a responsibilty in this endeavour. everyone wants higher payouts, everyone wants higher car counts, everyone wants the rules to mean something and almost everyone expects someone else to do the work. As a collective, committed group we can ensure the vitality of the 600 class.

as far as dues go i suggested vendor members and track members paying a nominal fee of $50.00 a year.not the racers..we arent talking mega bucks but it would give the U6SA some capital to promote the 600 class.
The tracks we race at aren't well funded for the most part as we know. and what i am suggesting is not bailing out the tracks or placing the costs on the backs of the racers. what i am suggesting is that we ultilize the expertise that is already available in our class to help the tracks become more successful.

the tech comittee would actually be doing random, weekly tech at various U6SA facilities. So if the U6SA tech reps show up at your track they take over the tech for that night. we dont have alot of tracks that are U6SA so the tech would be pretty consistant. maybe as a group we would institute a minimum tech that would have to be performed and in exchange the U6SA would perform the more detailed tech procedures.

I set up the Pro Series this season because i felt that i was hurting the weekly tracks we competed at by traveling to non typical 600 facilities. The car counts have been bolstered at the Pro Series facilities with the exception of Middleford which accomplished the goal of a track series but it has fallen short of my vision of the Pro Series which has always been to promote the 600 sprint class. The 600 Pro Series needs to travel to non traditional 600 tracks in order to properly promote the 600 class. We need to be added to a tracks regualr night of racing. We need to be able to compete in front of people in order to convince folks that the 600 class is a legitimate form of open wheel racing.

my ideas aren't for everyone i understand that but i have talked to alot of folks that feel the same way i do. enough that i am convinced this is what the majority of the 600 class would like to see develop....