...........too quiet in here

I like the one that says the rules will be frozen for 3-5 years !

close rules for 5 years i like, but we gotta implament, open motor rules, stock Rev and 636 bore/stroke and put 20s on the LR / spec on right rear. "u6sa tire" and stop bitchen and rule maken that we all do and go back to racing.. bore/stroke easy check, rev easy check, o they make a little round divice made of metal and glass, with numbers and a little pointy thing ont he bottem to check the hardness of tires again easy check..
A class series, i find it funny that the u6sa was made to keep cost down, yet when voting on shock adj rules, tires rules, motor rules, etc this was all shot done, yet now a year or 2 later were tryin to make another class with these so called savings rules in place to keep cost down, just found it pretty funny that the things "were to good for us" then is ok for the A class. i still dont get that u6sa members who have a vote, where web site owners, or motor builders, promotors, or trackS have a vote on WHAT THE EVERY DAY RACER WHO ACTUALLY BUYS TIRES WEEK IN WEEK OUT HAVE TO BUY. i bought 15 RR tires this year, how many did that web site owner buy ZERO, or that motor builder buy ...YUP YOU GOT IT ZERO.. how many tires did a TRACK BUY....whoowee you got it..ZER0.. ZERO AS IN NONE, NOT ONE NOT ONE DOLLER SPENT but yet they get to xney a GROUP OF SAY 20 RACERS WHO BUY TIRES FROM A TRACK, that would HAVE vote to have a spec tire, or mfi, or rods or what ever and just elimante there vote, these A class rules are put there to save money, the very same thing the U6sa was madE for.. sorry kinda got side tracked, but yea you asked for opinions so i voiced mine, opinions are like assholes, we all have them its just a matter how much you can spend on TP to see how much it hurts after awhile..

Good question PJ. Fact is most of us gave up when we found that time after time no one listens to us, and a select few make the rules. Then flat out cheating was defended as a"gray area" (the flywheel debacle) that really did it for me. Not that the rules are all that bad, its better than it was, but its just not worth voicing your opinion when a few guys get to make the rules that often go counter to what the majority wants. I say "One man, one vote". Until then, we'll just do the best we can with what we have. For what its worth, I do like the idea of the "A" class, but it should just copy the midwest rules.....they work fine. The biggest rule I don't like is the first one (for both classes)..."If it doesn't say you can't do it, you can" should be the other way..."If it doesn't say you CAN do it, then you CAN'T.

Can't say I totally disagree with the new sportsman class but I do think it will water down the 637 class to some degree at least for some tracks. By looking at the rules proposals for both classes i would say at most tracks, especially wingless tracks, the sportsman class will likely turn the same lap times (or extremely close ) as the 637's unless the sportsman are on gasoline and or weigh more. I don't think that should be the case as that will tend to take away from the "A" class and the guys that are spending potentially a lot more money. I think the sportsman should be 2or 3 tenths slower so it looks like a different class. JMO

Just to clarify... in the midwest, the "A class" is equivalent to the proposed "Sporstsman class" The class equivalent to our 636 class is called "Open", or "Outlaw", or the "Multi class"

I think not spending $2500+ to convert to alcohol and the simplicity of running on gas will make racing a 600 much more reachable to potential racers. I wonder if E85 (still a pump gas) and a power commander will be allowed? this class truly could save thousands to get started in 600s. if it passes I hope it limits cockpit adjusters and a spec tire. the more I read about the proposed class the more I like it.

Mike, I just got into 600 micros with a used hyper 600 micro and 2 04 636 moters. I have no fancy adj. shocks , the only adj being the wing and panhard bar. We ran wingless at Borgers with pretty good luck with the motor. Now I know the 04 636 is slower than the newer 05 06 636 moters , but I dont have the money to buy a different moter package or try and run with the 05 06 636 class where they have all the adj. and moter extras. Most of the cars in the wingless class on sat night had 04 636 moters in them , some with 05 636 and some r6.
Im afraid this splitting of classes is going to cause some teams to have to park their cars next year instead of spending all the money on completly changing their engine class.
Mike, I asked you when I was getting into 600 racing what moter to go with and you told me to go with a kawi 636 and that I couldnt go wrong with that moter. Now, 2 04 636 moters and a complete engine program and Hyper 600 to go with it, I basically cant run it anywhere next year if the new rules are passed.
I am one of many 04 636 racers that feels the same way.
thanks,
George Bryson

george im not quite sure what you are tryin to say or ask.. your 04 motor stuff will be completly legal next year at any race track.. this new A class which might not go over well, will take years to develope, it wont be an over nite thing. your 04 motors for borgers is a good motor to have and will be legal next year and you will not have to switch motors or update to 05 636..

I just thought that if a track went with the , no over 600cc limit class, we would have to run with the pro built motors at a different track where the 05 and 06 636 motors have an advantage. I also thought that the class would start right at the beg. of the 2012 season.
Thanks for the information,
George

If you read Mike proposal the 600/637 class will remain with a few rule changes, the sportsman class will be a developing less expensive class with proposed limitations. if it passes Im not sure what to expect for 2012 as far as car count for the sportsman class. I would think tracks with lower car count wont split to two 600 class's. the hot motors have been 05-06 636 and the newer R6's, Im curious about the performance between the older R6, GSXR's Honda's and the 07up ZX6. what would be the 600 sportsman motor of choice? anyone seen any dyno numbers???

even if the A class does go threw and start up, im sure you will find one motor that works better then the rest or out performs all others and you will be back in the same situation you have with the current 636 motors..

stock for stock the kaw 600 makes more hp than even the newer r6 for a new r 6 to run heads up against a lightly mod 636 takes a lot of work , it all depends on the type of track which 600 stock 4 stock would be better, on a little bull ring aka lanco the gsxr should be the motor, on a momentum track like path and lindas would suit the high reving r6

Jim
the GSXR is almost identical ( after its built) to the R6 in HP and Torque the only difference is the 600 RPM advantage the R6 has over the GSXR and the Honda which we are trying to promote at the meeting this year. If ALL 600 engines are allowed to turn 16,100 which is the rev for R6 it will bring the GSXR and the honda even with the R6 and allow 2 more credible engine choices in the 600 class. After 50+ races on our GSXR that is the only thing it is lacking to compete egually with the R6 and the Kawasaki

at Paradise speedway this weekend we were able to run the 16,100 rpm ( Pizza Log rule) and it was exactly what the engine needed. A.J bogino has been running a NPS GSXR all season in new york at the 16,100 rpm range and has no engine failures. the rods are +- 42 grams heavier then the kawasaki so reliability at the higher RPM doesn't seem to be an issue. Keith Heater has been running his Honda at the same RPM range with similar results

16100 rpm........interesting.