Speed week has just finished and everyone had to run the spec tire. That means that this topic is fresh in your mind.

How about a motion to pass the spec tire rule for 09'

Reason:

U6SA was originated to bring the motor expense to a min. These rules have seem to have worked very well thus far.

How has your tire bill been? Our tire bill has been very reasonable since we have been running the spec tire for the past few months.

Also side note:
Everyone that ran the speedweek races would agree that track conditions were very racey all week. I bet you think they put more into track prep and they probably did. (But the use of a harder compound also is a large contributing factor to the track holding together for 85-100 775 lbs cars running on it). By passing this rule we would have more money in our pockets through the year and also have a better track surface.

Got my vote.....:)

How about yours?

Well, I saw more blacks tracks this week for sure. Only time TW is like that is for a day show. Have never seen Lincoln get like that. I know the volume of cars played into it, but that tire slicked the tracks off.

As far as racey, there were multiple grooves to race, and some people were passing, but each grove was slick. I think for the majority of heats and features, the front row won. That to me isn't racey. Prolly alot of reason why there were problems with the pill draw as well.

I'm personally not a fan of the spec tire, but I race at a track that will handle a 10-12 for the feature most nights. Not saying money isn't an issue, but we always find a way to get the right tire on the car.

JMO

Adam

Got my vote for spec tire. Can do nothing but save money. Left for Speedweek with alot more room in trailer. Only had to take two RR's.
I asked M. Dicely at Lanco if he saw much difference in running Spec. tire compared to what he would normally run and he said he did not see much difference(@ Lanco). There was plenty of passing all nite at Lanco. Really would like to see this rule pass.

I spoke with Heath Henly about his very subject, and he shared a different view point. He told me that they were grinding their tires and probably taking off more rubber doing that than the actual wear on the track which led me to thinking that perhaps the hardest tire is not necessarily the right answer to the spec tire scenario.

Perhaps something similar to the Sidewinder spec.. not to hard..not to soft would be the right answer. maybe even two compounds like our spec. medium or hard.

Please remember that we have had an unusual amount of rain at the right/wrong times and the tracks have been wetter than normal so far this year and during speedweek so perhaps we have not seen a fair comparison yet ?

I understand the thought behind a tire rule, i could go either way on this one.
A lot depends on the event and the track, the 3 tracks i frequent the most (tway, Bport and Airport) always use a 12 or a 15 on the rr (for a regular race not a day show)
I feel that picking the correct compound is one of the things that makes this challenging. I could see giving options (like a 20 or a spec???) but I think having the option for only 1 compound for regular racing would take some of the challenge away.
With 95+ cars you would have ended up needing the hard tires most of the time anyway. And then there is the grinding and grooving and all that many will do for an edge (which helps wear the tire out faster)

A lot to think about i guess.
Other stuff: Is it just the RR your worried about, what about the other 3 corners? Whats the sense in running a spec rr if you can run a 10 on the lr and melt it? I don't know what the American Racer equivalents are, is this right?
d10=23
d12=33
d15=38
d20=44
d25=48
?=50 (wasnt there a 50?)
d35=57??

Nmma=??
Good topic.:)

All I know is that we went to Lanco with two "used" SPEC tires. I didn't grind them. I did put some fresh groves and sipes. The track started out very tacky as it had rained 30 minutes earlier and the day ended with what I call moist hard slick. We ran a 15 on the L/R and 12's on the front end. We were pretty hooked up all day and I think we were pretty fast. My two used tires were barely worn (I might spring for a new one next time) and I liked not having to brings a half dozen right rear tires with me. As far as other tracks I think the challenge would be in hooking it up. In case you can't tell, I'm in favor of a "single" spec tire. I think it'll save everyone alot of money and just like any other rule, everyone will learn to race with it. JUST MY OPINION :)

It was the first time we ever ran one , went to the trailer bought it and raced it .We loved it , a warm up and 3 races later we took home a tire with almost no wear . It might take a few ajustments but I cant see why anybody couldnt get there cars to work on these tires . We are low budget racers and with the gas the way it is we could save some money and thats always good.

i like the idea of a tire rule. it will save us money in the long run. espesially during speedweeks and at the showdown. i also believe teams will travel to other tracks because they would'nt have to buy track spacific tires.

there is no need for a spec tire rule. those that are concerned with tire cost can run a spec tire now. if you are not traveling with out a tire rule will a spec rule really increase car counts? the sidewinders have a tire and motor rule maybe some of the people that are concerned about tire rules and motor rules should explore that class. i mean no disrespect to anyone it just seems some people are trying to create a "economy" 600 class. I remember not to long ago i was going to promote and sponsor a stock, carburated class and i had exactly 0 takers. we travel and i spent more money on tires for speedweek than i did so far all year. 3 left rears, 1 front , 3 right rears (for stagger). i saw some bone heads moves during speedweek because the tires weren't hooked up at some tracks.......please don't mess with the tires

You have my vote on the SPEC tire rule. Overall I think that it does save you a lot of money. You can have a lower inventory of tires and I think it makes the racing closer. I like it and even though tracks like T-W and Greenwood call for soft tires I never noticed a difference between the 2 during speedweek. I think something like this shoulda been done before the engine rules, I see a tire rule being more effective to the sport imo.

Brent

You have my vote for a spec tire rule.

Wayne,

Bonehead moves are not caused by tires, they are caused by bonehead drivers.

i think we can have a spec tire at all tracks.
let the track designate the right rear tire.

who cares if different tracks use a different right rear.

if you are running at one track, youll only need1, 2 tracks possibly 2.
but at least we dont have 4 compounds of each lr,rr, rf tires in our trailers.

especially with the gas prices also.
as much as ive given to hoosier so far in 3 years, they should send me and wife to bermuda

just an idea. dont sse where we need a right rear tire for all the pa tracks, that may be counterproductive

I believe that most midwest tracks have a tire rule that you can run either the NMMA spec tire or a Hoosier D-35 on the right rear and anything on the other three. Tire must durometer at least 50 after the race, 15 minute cool down. Any siping or grooving is permitted. I think this would be great for our sport and I would love to see this rule implemented here. Whenever you start talking to someone about the costs of running a micro (or any race car for that matter) tire costs are always way up on the list and anything that can help bring that cost down would be good.
The other three corners? Well I believe that you will quickly adjust to running a tire that won't wear very quickly, if you melt or wear down to the cords a LR 10 at say Linda's you will have learned your lesson. My guess would be you could run a 20 (only say this bacause I never had much luck with 15's) with the proper siping and/or grooving with little effect on handling and have it last a very long time. The front tires pretty much don't wear out very fast and one or two sets should last a whole season.

I am also all for the Spec tire rule. Can only save money. Speedweek was great. Tires held up great and still have many races left on them. Why would I want to carry all those different compounds with me to every race. Much more room in my tiny trailer. Extra money can go for fuel for truck to get to races. Otherwise will have to cut back on traveling. Vote YES for tire rule!!

I don't think there should be any grooving of the tire. Grooving the tire is reducing the surface of the tire on the track increasing tire wear defeating the purpose of the spec tire.

So now you want to tell me how to use the tire you spec'd for me
? What about a spec tire pressure? Howabout a minimum number of laps before you can throw the tire away? Don't be silly...

Well, I didn't mean for you to get upset. I didn't apply the spec tire rule to anyone. I'm just putting in my opinion as like everyone else on here. I could care less how many tires you buy, run, burn up, blow up, how many laps you want to run them, I DON'T CARE!:D

well, that was kinda my point. Why would you care if people groove the tire? We also take a grinder to them as well. The tire usually sees more abuse in the trailer than it does on the track

We ran all 6 speedweek shows and bought 3 spec tires for stagger. We ended up using the same one all week and it still looks good. We siped and cut the tire and still didn't see much wear. I figure we will be able to run at least 3 more shows at shippensburg with that same tire.We would definately be in favor of a spec tire rule to save everyone a lot of money.

MCINTYRE MOTORSPORTS

I deff. agree with having a spec tire rule for next year. It can only save money and with gas prices how they are, i'm sure every race team could go for saving a little cash.

I just race for fun now and have tried a D20 and an NMMA compound tire at Airport Speedway. Lost 0.1 on a D20 compared to a 15 compound, and 0.2 seconds with the harder NMMA tire. If you are going to demand a spec RR, then why not a LR too!

Spec tire rules are not always as good as people say they are. They will save money but at the same time can add a lot of headache because of being limited to one tire manufactures selection. I think if the rules were more in depth of compounds but unlimited on the manufacture (as long as they fall into the correct ratings) then this would make for great racing. Take it from a YG390 driver that is in a spec tire class. We do have limited compounds but only can run a Hoosier tire. Be nice to have an option of American Racers and tread patterns to choose from. Not to mention some have better connections with purchasing tires from one manufacture than the other (again cost oriented). If you force a spec tire then who is to say that the local tire providers are not going to raise prices knowing that all racers will have to buy the spec tires.

big money teams will always be big money teams and their tire bill will not change at all they will sipe cut and grind their tire until they are only getiing 1-2 races out of them. also with such a harder rr tire left rear tires will wear much harder because many setups will solely drive of the left rear tire wearing them much more and once again the big money teams can afford to run a compuond or two softer then we have the same problem do we not PS i enjoy choosing the right compund for a track its and extra challenge for the driver and crews or should we just run cars set up idenically also sorry just venting now

Ran turf tires at Limerock Speedway near Rochester, NY, and the racing was very competitive. No engine mods whatsoever except for air cleaner and exhaust running on pump gas supplied by the track. No wings either! It was all driver and setting up the cars.

I am for the spec tires. I have a really tight budget. I believe it will make the racing alot better. It also give the smaller low budget teams a chance to compete with the big spending teams. Most of the tracks we run at you can get away with a pretty hard tire anyways.
Just my opinion!
Doug Snyder 69s

As somebody looking to join this class, I would love to see a tire rule. As long as you allow all the tire companies to compete in it. Maybe dont pick certain tires, just say the right rear has to punch 50 like 15 minutes after the race. I would also put a spec on the left rear too. That way the less experienced racers dont put on a soft tire and mess up their set-up. A extremely soft left rear with a hard right rear just dont work, your car will be tight. We raced in the late model ranks for 10 years and are looking for a more affordable class, so dont let this class get out of hand.

what i would like to see is a choice for the right rear make us run a 15 or spec. Its just another rule that certain tracks wont tech anyway.

That is a tough issue as cars need tires that work well with the track surface. Some tracks it would be like racing on ice which isn't good for anyone. Others are more abrasive and harder tires would work well. Yes, I agree maybe two compounds would be a reasonable choice like a D20 and NMMA.

i agree 100% that we need a spec tire... we have trouble keepin up with the tires and when we go out on a 4 race old rr and somone else goes out on a brand new 12 whos gunna win that matchup... i think it is gunna do the sport good for a spec tire...

There is no spec tire rule for 09 voted down. Kevin